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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: It's been awhile</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4333#4333</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=14&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;xmeltrut&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:56 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Heh, I just picked this up in my Netvibes the other day, was about to say it's good there is a topic going though it seems I am about 4 months too late lol.
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: It's been awhile</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4332#4332</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=26&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;johnsimpson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:47 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I pop by once in a while but it's pretty dead here. Although, the site works which is more than I can say for Nettalk.
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: It's been awhile</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4331#4331</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=5&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Mankix&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: It's been awhile&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:33 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hey everyone. Just stopping in to say hey. Been awhile since I've been in here.
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Anyone still around? Or wishful hoping? &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//images/smiles/icon_smile.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Smile&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4330#4330</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=14&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;xmeltrut&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:16 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I'd never heard of the ambiguity to be honest, I always took bi-monthly to mean every two months.
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My vote went for $1 but I guess I would probably recommend that more as a minimum. How likely are your referrers to take away people subscribing directly/non through a referrer. If the answer is none which I would suspect it might be online, then you can give them quite a bit as you haven't really lost anything through the scheme.
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4329#4329</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=26&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;johnsimpson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Re: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:04 am (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;table width=&quot;90%&quot; cellspacing=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;nmallare wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;table width=&quot;90%&quot; cellspacing=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;johnsimpson wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;Currently, my plan is to make $10 profit a year from each subscription. Since our magazine is &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;bi-monthly&lt;/span&gt;, that means I'll make $1.67 per issue.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;
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Sorry, the bolded text was confusing.  The term bi-monthly means twice a month, so that is where I was getting lost.
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I will answer your poll now &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//images/smiles/icon_wink.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Wink&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;
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Nick,
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I've been through the whole bi-monthly/semi-monthly talks with many other people already. It's a confusing little thing to be sure. But here's a link that might help on the explanation.
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwords/bimonthly&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; class=&quot;postlink&quot;&gt;http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwords/bimonthly&lt;/a&gt;
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John
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4328#4328</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=8&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Darkfire001&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:00 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hey John,
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I've been doing affiliate marketing for the past year, and most sales type offers offer between 5-10% commission on sales.
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One issues you'll run into though is at &amp;lt;$2.00 you'll be competeting directly with email submission offers which pay between $1.25&amp;lt;&amp;gt;$1.55.
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Rather then see the print version online, I'd suggest offering the Web Only version at say $20/Year with say $5/Commission. Azoogle and some of the other larger web marketing companies allow you to start a campaign for just a few thousand and change your lead prices with only a few days notice.
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Run the campaign for a few weeks and adjust from there, but $5 on a $20 subscription could definitely attract some interest.
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4327#4327</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=74&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;nmallare&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Re: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:26 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;table width=&quot;90%&quot; cellspacing=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt; 	  &lt;td&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;genmed&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;johnsimpson wrote:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;	&lt;tr&gt;	  &lt;td class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;Currently, my plan is to make $10 profit a year from each subscription. Since our magazine is &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;bi-monthly&lt;/span&gt;, that means I'll make $1.67 per issue.&lt;/td&gt;	&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;
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Sorry, the bolded text was confusing.  The term bi-monthly means twice a month, so that is where I was getting lost.
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I will answer your poll now &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//images/smiles/icon_wink.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Wink&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;
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Nick
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4326#4326</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=26&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;johnsimpson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:05 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;If the online subscription is $10/year and we have 6 issues per year, that works out to $1.67 per issue.
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For a print issue, the cost to print is somewhere between $1.50-$2.00 per issue and postage within Canada would be around $1.50 (it get's cheaper as we send out tens of thousands of copies). So, using the top range, $2.00 printing + $1.50 shipping + $1.67 income (I still have staff to pay), would equal $5.17 an issue or $31.02 per year (although I'll likely even the number out to $31/year).
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What I need to do is come up with a decent referral program where a webmaster makes some good cash but at the same time the price isn't driven up too much. For example, if I offer $1.00, the online subscription cost would be $11.00 and the print would be $32/year.
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Postage to the US would be more.
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John
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4325#4325</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=74&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;nmallare&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:51 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Help me out with the math here.  If you plan to make $10/year profit from a subscription, how does that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;mean&lt;/span&gt; that the cost is $1.67 per issue?
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Lets just make this easy.
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If I wanted to subscribe, how much would it cost me?
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Nick
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4324#4324</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=26&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;johnsimpson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Offering Referrals. Thoughts please.&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:13 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;My new magazine is just a couple months away from the release of the first issue. I'm looking to build up sales of subscriptions as quickly as possible.
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One of the things I have been thinking about is offering paid referrals. If a sale is made, a portion of the sale goes back to the webmaster.
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While I'm not too worried about the code involved in this, I'm concerned about how much I should be paying to make this worthwhile to webmasters and not lose my shirt doing it.
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Currently, my plan is to make $10 profit a year from each subscription. Since our magazine is bi-monthly, that means I'll make $1.67 per issue.
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Considering that a magazine takes a great deal of time and money (printing the magazine is going to be approximately $15,000 per issue), I need to ensure that I'm not cutting myself so short that the business will fail.
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I also want to make subscription prices attractive enough that people will subscribe. I'll also be offering online subscriptions which will be the same price of the print version of the magazine minus the printing and distribution costs ($10-$15/year).
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So, what does everyone think would be a fair commission that would attract many websites but also not considerably drive up the price of a subscription?
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Thanks,
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	<title>WorldBE Support :: RE: AdSense look-a-likes</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4323#4323</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=26&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;johnsimpson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:27 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I personally think that restricting this type of text ad is a bad idea. Sure, it may look similar to a Google Ad, and there could be a number of reasons for it. The person submitting the ad may have absolutely no artistic talent at all.
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Now, I can understand a website owner wanting to keep his ads making money, but if you start getting too restrictive you run the risk of losing good advertisers.
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Maybe consider a compromise. Add an additional parameter to your code to identify ads that may be a concern and allow website owners to disable those ads from showing on their site. That way, everyone wins. Sure, it's a little time coding, but you don't alienate anyone.
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Just my 2 cents. Which is worth about 2.02 cents US.
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: I guess I can assume ..</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4322#4322</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=26&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;johnsimpson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:29 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;It lives! I can't believe the site is back up! Is anyone actually here though?
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I've been pretty busy myself lately trying to run my healthcare business and start a new magazine.
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I hope to drop by here more now that I need to optimize my online promotions to attract visitors and more importantly paid subscribers.
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John
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	<title>WorldBE Support :: Stats Update</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4321#4321</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;rivux&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Stats Update&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:23 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;There were some software updates made on the server which caused the cron jobs not to run. This means that accounts, stats, referal information etc wasn't updated on the account homepage correctly. All of the banner, click and site stats have been tracked correctly during this time, the generated reports though were not. We are working on the problem and are running tthe reports manually for the time being. Any questions let me know.
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	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4320#4320</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=74&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;nmallare&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:39 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I did not think you could serve Adsense adverts in a rotation with other non-adsense adverts .. ?
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Nick
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	<title>Webmaster Discussion :: RE: I guess I can assume ..</title>
	<link>http://www.ortonchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=4319#4319</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ortonchat.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=74&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;nmallare&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:37 pm (GMT -5)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Well, congrats rivux!
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